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Old 05-16-2003, 02:54 PM
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I thought it was, and still do. the important difference here is that they were temporary feelings. the song was him expressing his reaction to the relationship. the relationship has since changed, so their should be nothing further to argue about. unless of course you think his feelings at the time were inapropriate, which I find laughable.
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Old 05-16-2003, 03:14 PM
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Someone claiming they did something is generally more reliable than a journalist claiming someone did something.
Not to mention that it makes little sense that "Kim" drove her to suicide.

Again, if the songs drove Kim to suicide, what drove Eminem into writing such drastic songs?
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Old 05-16-2003, 03:15 PM
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Someone claiming they did something is generally more reliable than a journalist claiming someone did something. Besides which, you started all that assuming that "Kim" is actually based on real feelings.
All indications are that it was based upon real feelings at the time. And journalists are not in the business of making claims -- they are in the business of reporting events.
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Old 05-16-2003, 03:18 PM
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Not to mention that it makes little sense that "Kim" drove her to suicide.

Again, if the songs drove Kim to suicide, what drove Eminem into writing such drastic songs?
Logical non-sequitur again. One negative event does not justify another negative event. Kim's transgressions do not justify Eminem's transgressions.
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And journalists are not in the business of making claims -- they are in the business of reporting events.

LMAO!!!!!!! That was the funniest shit I have read in weeks.
Do you HONESTLY believe that is what journalism today is
all about? Especially CELEBRITY journalism?

If so, you need to wake the fuck up.
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Old 05-16-2003, 03:21 PM
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You've misunderstood the question.

The songs and the suicide attempt are both effects of the same cause. You're claiming that the song was the cause, so I wanna know what the cause for him making the song was in your opinion...
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Old 05-16-2003, 03:22 PM
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I thought it was, and still do. the important difference here is that they were temporary feelings. the song was him expressing his reaction to the relationship. the relationship has since changed, so their should be nothing further to argue about. unless of course you think his feelings at the time were inapropriate, which I find laughable.
Agree with what you say; however, it was the content of the feelings that were expressed (mentally and very very explicitly wishing and outlining a brutal murder), and the method of expression of those feelings (making his vulgar, murderous diatribe undeniably public) that I found inappropriate.
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Old 05-16-2003, 03:25 PM
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LMAO!!!!!!! That was the funniest shit I have read in weeks.
Do you HONESTLY believe that is what journalism today is
all about? Especially CELEBRITY journalism?

If so, you need to wake the fuck up.
Sure I understand it. After all, I am in involved in affiliated with the profession. You don't have to lecture me there.

I am drawing a juxtaposition. A single person's claim of an event tends to have less validity than a widely reported (and police-report verified, I might add) news story regarding the event.
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Old 05-16-2003, 03:26 PM
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You've misunderstood the question.

The songs and the suicide attempt are both effects of the same cause. You're claiming that the song was the cause, so I wanna know what the cause for him making the song was in your opinion...
No misunderstanding here.

As I mentioned in my first response: Kim's transgressions were the cause.

However, as I also mentioned, one person's transgressions do not justify another person's subsequent transgressions.
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Old 05-16-2003, 03:30 PM
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Yep, misunderstanding here.

They're both effects of the same cause. Therefore neither "Kim" or "97b&c" drove Kim to her suicide attempt as you claimed. I'm not trying to justify either.
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Old 05-16-2003, 03:35 PM
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Yep, misunderstanding here.

They're both effects of the same cause. Therefore neither "Kim" or "97b&c" drove Kim to her suicide attempt as you claimed. I'm not trying to justify either.
Yes you are. By asking, "If the songs drove Kim to suicide, what drove Eminem into writing such drastic songs?, " you were quite obviously trying to get me to lessen the effect of Eminem's actions by saying that they did not cause Kim's actions.

The reports were that shortly after hearing "Kim," and as a reaction to it (probably being the emotional final straw in the camel's back), Kim tried to commit suicide.
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Old 05-17-2003, 10:44 AM
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I see what you're saying, but I'm not trying to justify teh songs. I'm not saying it makes the songs right and okay but you're right in that I am saying there's far less effects from "Kim" than both ytou and the media would have people believe.
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Old 05-17-2003, 05:21 PM
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