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Tia
08-20-2007, 06:47 PM
This is something that varies from one culture to another, and changes within a single culture over different time periods. Also, in western civilization of modern times it also varies from region to region of when a person is legally and technically an adult.

So what do you personally think determines it?

Is it a magical age that people turn that automatically makes them one? And if so, what do you think that age would be? The one the law determines? Or what about science? I've read that people's bodies are typically not done developing into adulthood until 18, which is why they are cautious about performing certain operations on people under that age. And mentally & emotionally, psychology says people are not adults until 25. So how do they get laws that say you can drive at 16, and drink at 19 (Canada) or 21 (U.S.)? What makes those numbers the ones they went with?

And if it's not about a magical number, what is it that makes someone an adult? When do you feel you became an adult?

Me personally, I have said this before, I think it's about lifestyle. I think you are an adult when you've lived like one, I think your situations determine when you are an adult.

For example, I was treated like an adult from the age of 16. I had to work to pay for all my own stuff. By the age of 17, I was working 40 hours or more a week, sometimes over 60 hours, and helping my mother pay bills. But at 16, my mother stopped giving me any rules. I was treated as an equal and trusted to make my own decisions about how I was going to live my life. If I wanted to have sex, if I wanted to drugs, if I wanted to drop out of school.. these were my decisions to make, and I was left to face the consequences. So this made me a lot more mature than most of my peers.

I see people that are 19 or 20 at my college, and they are clearly children to me, because they are so sheltered and pampered. Their parents still pay for everything, and control their lives. I know people who won't get a fucking job, they live off of their parents or the government, and while they may be legally adults I really don't see how they can be considered one when they've never had to face adult circumstances in their lives.. like people who are 30 and never left home, you will notice they are very immature. Or people in college who spend all their time partying and flunking out, I really see them as kids, even when they are 22 years old, because they have no clue what it means to be responsible. I think people who become parents at a young age tend to be more mature because it forces them to take responsibility for another human life, but then some just dump their kid somewhere all the time while they party, so it doesn't mature them at all.

However, a lot of older people consider me to be a child at 24, and I would agree with them that in a lot of ways myself and people my age are still like kids. I think that is due to the fact that a lot of us are still in school, whether it be for undergrad or grad studies. Or a lot have graduated, but then gone back to school, because they don't like what they majored in. So we are still trying to figure our lives out, who we are and what the hell we want to do, and it's just not the same as people who have figured all that out. Like I have a friend who is 36 and still modeling, and she's so beautiful and takes such great pictures because she's so comfortable in her own skin, confident, unafraid. All these girls my age who are modeling can never do what she does, because we aren't sure of ourselves yet.

So I really don't even know :rofl:.

But yeah, tell me your ideas, and when you think it happened for you, or if it hasn't happened when do you think it will?

I think it'll happen for me when I'm 27. I don't know why, but it seems like it's a good age. I'm hoping to know myself by then :).

Crazee
08-20-2007, 07:45 PM
I think it's a mental thing moreso than anything you do...even moreso than responsibility.

There are people that are naturally given more responsibility than others, and yeah they might be more mature in the sense they've had to support themselves and take care of someone else(in the case of young parents). But that takes us back to the question, is being 'mature' adult? Is being responsibible adult?

Well, yes they are. But adult in itself is not neccasarily a positive or negative thing in my view. Many children have a better sense of the world around them than adults do. So in one sense, their understanding of the world regresses as they get older. Much of adult life isn't about anything but survival and getting ahead. Children ask the right childrens, children want to have fun, children believe anything they do has to have a good reason. Adults just do it because they have to.

My point is, 'adult' doesn't equal good. That's like saying adult movies are better than children's movies. Not that you said adult is a good trait, but a lot of people use it as a compliment when it isn't always one. And being "childish" isn't always a bad thing.

Anyway, back to the real topic...I think being 'adult' is very relative. I mean, when we disscuss movies adult would mean lots of sex, violent content and tons of swearing. haha And how is that mature or advanced, really? It isn't. I think a person can be fully mature and adult in one area of their life and not in another. Someone who spends a lot of years working or taking care of a child at a young age can be very 'mature' or grown up...in the sense of having responsibility and knowing how to benefit others(as I said earlier).

But they may be robbed of the 'growing up' they would have experienced without doing that work. They may have no idea how to take care of themselves emotionally, or know how to plan longterm because they've always needed to work in the shortterm and have no idea how to progress towards a dream. They are mature and grown up...but still very childlike in another sense.

Or someone may be supported financially by others and not have much 'maturity' in the eyes of others, they may not be a grownup because they don't support themselves entirely or don't have to work as hard. But maybe instead of working, they came to grips with who they are and are extremely matured mentally and emotionally to the point where they don't struggle with their future. They don't plan shortterm...but their whole life has been mapped out on a longterm goal that they are achieving(even if they do it slowly).

Or someone may have a normal life of working and going to school, having a longterm goal and a shorterm job to keep them on track to succeed. They are very adult here, they're going the very best route possible. They are the dream adult. However...their time is taken up and they have no experiance with people. They're professionally adult...but still a child in relationships.

It goes on and on. So, there is no magic one thing that makes you an 'adult'. You should be growing your whole life and becoming better each day. We all start at different points than others, so some of us are more advanced in one area than another. It does us little good to look at others and say "I'm better than her, I'm worse than him". Because we can't know anyone but ourselves. I refuse to judge anyone else's maturity, we all can learn from each other. It's the ones that never learn that never grow. Even the drunk party-only kids probably have some wisdom about friendships and relationships I don't, and I've opened myself more to being friends with even them and learning.

As for me...I don't particuarly consider myself mature or immature...adult or childish...I'm Joshua. I'm just a man. I'd probably say I'm extremely mature as far as emotions and understanding people. And also mature as far as handling criseses, making longterm goals and dealing with consequences of my actions. I'm not afraid to be wrong or admit my faults. But I struggle at knowing how to make reasonable short-term goals(to reach my dreams), initiate friendships and relationships and handle my own failures. And I also struggle with doing things I don't WANT to do.

I grew up a lot in the last four years, but I still don't see myself anywhere near the man I can be.

Tia
08-20-2007, 09:30 PM
Much of adult life isn't about anything but survival and getting ahead. Children want to have fun, children believe anything they do has to have a good reason. Adults just do it because they have to.

Shit I never thought of it that way, but that's true.

And being "childish" isn't always a bad thing.

Not always, no. Like there is a very childlikeness to my personality, in how I get so excited over little shit, just bubbly and hyper over small things, and it doesn't take much to make me laugh or smile or cry. I think a lot of people just become numb to the world and lose all of that.

But usually when I say someone is "childish" I mean it in quite a negative way, like people who handle things as a child would. Some people will face a problem and deal with it in the manner that my almost-two-year-old would, basically by throwing a tantrum to get their way, or hitting people or name-calling. There are obviously some things you should outgrow after your childhood :rofl:.

I think being 'adult' is very relative. I mean, when we discuss movies adult would mean lots of sex, violent content and tons of swearing. haha And how is that mature or advanced, really? It isn't.

That just means only adults should watch it. Obviously an adult can handle viewing a sex scene or a violent movie like "Final Destination" or "Saw" better than a five-year-old. So when they say adult content, they mean it should only be seen by adults, not that it's mature or advanced. For example, "March of the Penguins" was an advanced movie in my opinion because it was very educational.. shit put me to sleep. But it would be fine for Brennan to see it. It wouldn't traumatize him or anything, in fact he liked it more than I did. But I would say it was more for adults than young children, because it didn't really speak his language.

I grew up a lot in the last four years, but I still don't see myself anywhere near the man I can be.

Yeah. I've stopped doing a lot of bullshit I did five years ago when I was 19, but I still feel like a kid all the time. I wonder if I'll ever truly stop feeling that way though, like I know people in their 50's that are like big kids, not that they are irresponsible in their behavior, but their spirits are just.. newish.

Cain
08-20-2007, 10:12 PM
I was just jaded and made into an "adult" at a very early age...10. Also I was brought up in a Jewish household so technically 13.

Eleven
08-21-2007, 05:56 AM
*skips all other posts*

everyone becomes an adult at different times, some people never become adults, some become what i would class as adults at a very young age (because of their maturity).


you can't put a magic number on anything....i understand restricting the age of drinking and smoking etc but people take those restrictions too seriously.

for instance in britain when you turn 16 you are legally allowed too have sex (with anyone who is 16 or above) ...but just because you turn 16 doesn't mean you are ready for sex. i mean i've known people who turn 16 and are still virgins and suddenly they're like "oh shit, i'm 16 i better have sex soon" .....what also happens a lot is people want too lose their virginity BEFORE they turn 16, even if they're not ready the peer pressure too have sex before it is legally allowed is huge over here.


another one over here is you are classed as an adult when you are 18, but i think everyone knows when you wake up on your 18th birthday you don't suddenly become an adult.


it's all about the individual.


but i can still see why these laws/restrictions are in place, i just think they have some of them mixed up. for example you can legally have sex at 16 but you can't watch a porno (legally) untill you're 18. ..what kind of logic is that??

and you can smoke at 16, have sex at 16, leave school at 16, get a full time proper job(legally) at 16, join the army at 16, and start driving (with a provisional license) at 17...but you can't vote till you're 18?? LMAO




but yeah anyway as for "becoming an adult" i personally think that depends entirely on the individual i mean i've met people who are heading into(or are in) their 20's and still lack basic common sense and are incredibly immature. and i've known 13 year olds who are as mature(mentally) as any 18 year old.


i just wanna clear up i don't think being immature is a bad thing. Being immature at my age or above etc isn't a bad thing as long as you have a balance of it. so you're not immature ALL the time. and you can have a deep and mature conversation and you can make realistic and intelligent decisions.




well like i say it all depends on the individual.

niggafolife
08-21-2007, 06:00 AM
Kkk Fo Life!!!

Eleven
08-21-2007, 06:04 AM
btw I don't agree with tia, you say because they still live at home and their parents pay for a lot(if not everything) for them they can't be adults because they haven't faced an adult situation?? (correct me if i'm wrong i just scanned through it real quick)

but adult situations don't have too be things too do with money or living on your own, an adult situation can be something as simple as making a decision about a job, or as complicated as deciding whether too keep a child or not. it doesn't even have too be something like that, coping with mental problems or ANY problem for that matter is at the very least one step closer too being mature enough too be classed as an adult.

i don't think people need to live on their own and pay their bills too be an adult.

in my opinion being an "adult" is a type of mentality.(is that the right word??).

*AnNiE*
08-21-2007, 08:15 AM
Here people say that boys turn men or adults when they go to the army but it seems that the only thing they learn there is to smoke.
Another thing I've heard about becoming an adult is to learn how to take resbonsibility of you and others around you. I feel like the word "an adult" is just a term that parents say to their children to make a difference between children and a bit older people.

But like eleven said it might be more of what you feel not that much about your actions..

Tia
08-21-2007, 09:51 AM
some people never become adults

Yes, I have noticed that :rofl:.

for instance in britain when you turn 16 you are legally allowed too have sex (with anyone who is 16 or above) ...but just because you turn 16 doesn't mean you are ready for sex. i mean i've known people who turn 16 and are still virgins and suddenly they're like "oh shit, i'm 16 i better have sex soon" .....what also happens a lot is people want too lose their virginity BEFORE they turn 16, even if they're not ready the peer pressure too have sex before it is legally allowed is huge over here.

Yeah, it's that way here too with a lot of people thinking they need to lose it before they are 18 because that's the legal age of adulthood, like they think if they lose it before then that it'll make them an adult or something.

Every single one of my female friends in high school was having sex (most of them got pregnant before graduating), and I was talked down to very badly because I didn't want to have it, like WTF, as a teenager I wasn't comfortable with myself and my body, I wasn't going to get naked with someone LMAO.. how odd. I know they weren't comfortable with what they were doing either. I know it was awkward and unnatural for them and they just gave into these pressures to be "mature" or some shit. Like I tried giving oral to my boyfriend when I was 13 and going into my freshman year of high school because of the pressure, and it was so fucking weird for me that I only did it for literally seconds before running away :rofl:.

And then after I turned 18, I still didn't feel ready, but there was all this pressure on me like OK I'm an adult now & no longer have an excuse.. if that makes any sense.. so depending on what you consider sex (I think oral counts if people are giving and receiving it and having an orgasm from it) I guess I lost it right at 18, or more technically at 20 for those who think oral doesn't count, and I STILL wish I would have waited longer LMAO. I really do. Like I don't think I was ready until I was 22, that was the time when it started to be natural and not just something I felt I had to do to be "normal" in today's society. I actually called my mom up like "Mom, I get it now. This is why people claim to enjoy sex" :rofl:. I wish I never did anything before then. But people consider that freakish if you are 18 or older and a virgin.


another one over here is you are classed as an adult when you are 18, but i think everyone knows when you wake up on your 18th birthday you don't suddenly become an adult. it's all about the individual.

Yeah that is crazy to me that people think that way. Like when I was 16 my mom was constantly saying "You're an adult" and once I said no I'm not 18 yet.. and she'd be like "Oh you think at the stroke of midnight on your birthday you'll then be an adult? You're an adult now." She tells my brother the same thing.. he's 17, and she just said to me on the phone the other day "He's an adult now" because she bases it off of personality. See to her, he became an adult this summer LOL. It took him a year longer than me, but he still got there before the *magical number*.


and you can smoke at 16, have sex at 16, leave school at 16, get a full time proper job(legally) at 16, join the army at 16, and start driving (with a provisional license) at 17...but you can't vote till you're 18?? LMAO

My point exactly.. we base what we think of ALL people and their maturity level on some numbers that the government came up with.. but how in the hell did they come up with those numbers? It's crazy if you think about it. Like they have to have laws that generalize people by age, I understand that.. but if we don't even know how they came up with those particular ages, should we take them so damn seriously in how we judge people?

Tia
08-21-2007, 10:01 AM
but adult situations don't have too be things too do with money or living on your own, an adult situation can be something as simple as making a decision about a job, or as complicated as deciding whether too keep a child or not. it doesn't even have too be something like that, coping with mental problems or ANY problem for that matter is at the very least one step closer too being mature enough too be classed as an adult.

i don't think people need to live on their own and pay their bills too be an adult.


No that's not what I'm saying, I'm saying people whose parents take care of everything don't have to make any decisions for themselves at all.. like I know people that have parents who pay for anything, so they don't have to worry about managing money and deciding how to spend, but also as a result of their parents paying for everything their parents own their soul. See, so long as they are still financially dependent on their parents, they need their approval for shit so they won't be cut off from the money. Like your example of deciding if they should keep a child or not.. a lot of times a parent has a big part in that decision, they aren't even getting to decide for themselves.

People who live with their parents have to abide by their parent's rules for the house. And then I know people who are in college living in the dorms, but they are majoring in what their parents wanted them to because their parents pay for their college, and they have to get good grades so their parents will keep paying for the dorm and they can have the freedom of not being at home. But that's not freedom. That's not like if they were going to college for something because they wanted to, and paying for everything, and making themselves do the work because they choose to. That's why I feel a lot of my peers around here are like children, still answering to Mommy and Daddy. I know people who are adults, and their parents are more up in their lives than mine were when I was in high school.

Also I know people who do just live off of the government because they are fucking lazy.. women who keep having babies and never using the pill or getting a damn job.. and people who pretend to have a mental illness so they can collect disability. I'm sorry but those people will never be adults to me LOL. No matter what kind of problems they have faced in their lives. They don't take responsibility, and I think a 14-year-old who babysits so they can buy their own school clothes is more adult than them.

So to me it's not about paying for everything and living on your own, it's about paying for what you can and actually trying, not just making excuses your entire life so you can use people for money because you're a lazy bastard.

Eleven
08-21-2007, 11:56 AM
oh ok i get what you're saying now, and yeah i agree.


i am a lazy person, i have too admit. But i am working and i pay dig money and shit so i'm not THAT lazy lol.

Crazee
08-21-2007, 11:01 PM
I don't think financial maturity is defining though, there are lots of people that struggle in that area but excel in other areas and are very grown there.

It's relative.

Hynkel
08-21-2007, 11:20 PM
I wish kids were more into throat fucking at an early age rather than just oral. You know how the girls always feel like they should do it to fit in? We all remember that, right? What a great time that was. For me. But imagine if they felt like they had to get face fucked and shit

Tia
08-21-2007, 11:44 PM
ROFLMMFAO

Oh god..

:rofl:

Flawless
08-21-2007, 11:46 PM
According to Ak when you fuck Shannon is when you become an adult. Where can I find me some Shannon? Lol

Crazee
08-21-2007, 11:51 PM
Maxx, you're supposed to be more subtle. You haven't got this e-diss thing going good yet.

Tia
08-22-2007, 12:07 AM
Maxx doesn't have a subtle bone in his body. He's just so Maxx-ish all the time and doesn't care LOL.

*~Leah Bia~*
08-24-2007, 03:22 PM
Me personally, I have said this before, I think it's about lifestyle. I think you are an adult when you've lived like one, I think your situations determine when you are an adult.



I agree. At 14 I got my first job. By 16 I was pregnant, going to school and working...then I got my first car.
After Katelyn was born, I was going to school, I had co-op so I could leave after 4th hour (out of 6 hours) and go straight to work, then I would come home and be mommy...wake up in the middle of the nite with her and be up at 6AM for school and do it all over again.
I graduated high school and then started working full time. At one point, I had 2 jobs.
I have always felt like an adult. It's like I skipped teenage years and went straight to being an adult.
So once I got out on my own at 18 and got my own place, Katelyn would go to her dad's for the weekend and then I partied. Call it making up for lost time. ;) LoL


I honestly don't know where I'd be without Katelyn. It's a scary thought.

*~Leah Bia~*
08-24-2007, 03:23 PM
How were you working full time at 17? You finished high school didn't you?

Tia
08-24-2007, 03:37 PM
No I dropped out. I didn't even get my G.E.D. until after Brennan was born LOL. I went to the center for it just weeks after having him, got it in no time, and applied to college. I agree with you, having a baby can truly mature a person practically overnight.. and I don't know where I'd be if I never had Brennan but it probably wouldn't be good.

Bernard
08-24-2007, 10:33 PM
I mostly agree with you Tia. (about 90%)

You are an adult when you realize that you have to work for the things that you want in life and then you decide to do that for yourself. An adult is someone who is self motivated to take care of their own needs and keep their own affairs in order regardless of what others do or don't do.

I do disagree with the sentiment that adulthood requires that you pay all of your own bills. For many (especially those in college) this is not practical or even possible without sacrificing vital opportunities (college, internships, portfolio building, preparing for a career). Regardless, if the individual does not take responsibility for their end of the deal (ie: grades, actually learning and retaining, meeting milestones) then they are not being an adult.

This reminds me of a tale (not sure if it is true or not) that I've heard about doctors being permitted to go to med school for free using the communities money. In return they must work in that community as a doctor for 10 straight years before they can leave. If that student doctor holds up their end of the bargain by studying hard, going to class, earning the grades, asking questions when they need help, etc, then they are being an adult. Not paying for the education did not make them any less of one because they still had to be responsible for their own education.

Bernard
08-24-2007, 10:57 PM
On a more personal note (since everyone is doing it).

I'd say my adult hood has come around more slowly than some, but I have always held that attitude of working for what I want in life (my eldest sister is a workaholic and both of my parents had a similar attitude [that's immigrants for ya :)]). Unfortunately, while I understood work I still had a poor understanding of what I needed. It wasn't until I was 20 that I started to take responsibility for what others did for me. Much of that was my experience in the Army and the other big part of that was trying to make it in college.

Unfortunately, I grew up half pampered with my mother doing things for me whether I asked for it or tried to stop her; whether I've already survived without it or not. It's funny how she tried to protect me from things long after I was already exposed. For one, I saw weed long before I ever had that conversation with her. Fortunately I already knew that I didn't want it.

Hynkel
08-24-2007, 11:08 PM
I'm still a child

Crazee
08-25-2007, 04:25 PM
On a more personal note (since everyone is doing it).


Unfortunately, I grew up half pampered with my mother doing things for me whether I asked for it or tried to stop her; whether I've already survived without it or not. It's funny how she tried to protect me from things long after I was already exposed. For one, I saw weed long before I ever had that conversation with her. Fortunately I already knew that I didn't want it.

Co-sign. Except change weed to sex.

I was pampered too, but in a lot of respects I was given leeway because I earned it. It's almost like my freedom to fail and not hold a job as a teenager was earned from how mature I was in other areas. Yeah, I wasn't financially competent at all. But I never did drugs, stayed out late, put myself in dangerous situations... those are signs of maturity outside of just accomplishing positives. I think that if you're not moving forward...at least don't move backwards.

Like, there are lots of people that would have been considered losers and immature and became super-successful. Not to be arrogant or anything, but I see my potential as greater than working a 9 to 5. I have something more than that. So aside from money...there is nothing to be gained from working. So, I work only to have money for my music and writing.

lol...I swear, I've become this ultra-"Never judge anyone else" person.

Eleven
08-25-2007, 06:14 PM
I grew up half pampered with my mother doing things for me whether I asked for it or tried to stop her; whether I've already survived without it or not.

co-signed...but change mother too mother & father

*¨Daniella¨*
08-25-2007, 07:08 PM
well I didn0t read all those long posts, I'm lazy for that right now:D

but I did read the first post lol

and I do agree in some things with Tia.

some situations, and things, do mature people, when they decide to stop and learn about it, some people just keep how they are..
but sometimes people are just mature about their view of life:idontknow:

for example me
many people say I'm a really mature girl for my age, but still got things to learn
while other people think I'm a fucking lil daddy's girl...
I personally think I can be mature in some situations, but a total kid in others,
I think I do have A LOT to mature and learn about, I have never ever in my life have "real responsibilities", my only real responsibility has only been school, and well I haven't been there much in the last year cause I'm always moving of country, city, or of house with my dad, besides if I open my mouth what I say or want is given so I don't really have to worry anything.
besides I always have my dad and mom or bro(before he went crazy) protecting me, so I could go out and do crazy thing but I would be ok at the end of the day back to my dad's side, like consequences for almost anything, so I THINK I am in fact immature in MANY things
that's why sometimes I would like for my dad and mom but specially my dad to leave me in my own, let me see how can I handle things, and survive out there, get real responsibilities and learn about myself much more, but well I think that my time will come, when I'm ready all that will happen, and I'll grow up more until then I'll keep being a child:D

Hynkel
08-25-2007, 07:19 PM
Nevermind

Crazee
08-26-2007, 01:27 PM
Read my poooosssttsssss -shakes fist-

*¨Daniella¨*
08-26-2007, 08:40 PM
I think it's a mental thing moreso than anything you do...even moreso than responsibility.

There are people that are naturally given more responsibility than others, and yeah they might be more mature in the sense they've had to support themselves and take care of someone else(in the case of young parents). But that takes us back to the question, is being 'mature' adult? Is being responsibible adult?

Well, yes they are. But adult in itself is not neccasarily a positive or negative thing in my view. Many children have a better sense of the world around them than adults do. So in one sense, their understanding of the world regresses as they get older. Much of adult life isn't about anything but survival and getting ahead. Children ask the right childrens, children want to have fun, children believe anything they do has to have a good reason. Adults just do it because they have to.

My point is, 'adult' doesn't equal good. That's like saying adult movies are better than children's movies. Not that you said adult is a good trait, but a lot of people use it as a compliment when it isn't always one. And being "childish" isn't always a bad thing.

Anyway, back to the real topic...I think being 'adult' is very relative. I mean, when we disscuss movies adult would mean lots of sex, violent content and tons of swearing. haha And how is that mature or advanced, really? It isn't. I think a person can be fully mature and adult in one area of their life and not in another. Someone who spends a lot of years working or taking care of a child at a young age can be very 'mature' or grown up...in the sense of having responsibility and knowing how to benefit others(as I said earlier).

But they may be robbed of the 'growing up' they would have experienced without doing that work. They may have no idea how to take care of themselves emotionally, or know how to plan longterm because they've always needed to work in the shortterm and have no idea how to progress towards a dream. They are mature and grown up...but still very childlike in another sense.

Or someone may be supported financially by others and not have much 'maturity' in the eyes of others, they may not be a grownup because they don't support themselves entirely or don't have to work as hard. But maybe instead of working, they came to grips with who they are and are extremely matured mentally and emotionally to the point where they don't struggle with their future. They don't plan shortterm...but their whole life has been mapped out on a longterm goal that they are achieving(even if they do it slowly).

Or someone may have a normal life of working and going to school, having a longterm goal and a shorterm job to keep them on track to succeed. They are very adult here, they're going the very best route possible. They are the dream adult. However...their time is taken up and they have no experiance with people. They're professionally adult...but still a child in relationships.

It goes on and on. So, there is no magic one thing that makes you an 'adult'. You should be growing your whole life and becoming better each day. We all start at different points than others, so some of us are more advanced in one area than another. It does us little good to look at others and say "I'm better than her, I'm worse than him". Because we can't know anyone but ourselves. I refuse to judge anyone else's maturity, we all can learn from each other. It's the ones that never learn that never grow. Even the drunk party-only kids probably have some wisdom about friendships and relationships I don't, and I've opened myself more to being friends with even them and learning.

As for me...I don't particuarly consider myself mature or immature...adult or childish...I'm Joshua. I'm just a man. I'd probably say I'm extremely mature as far as emotions and understanding people. And also mature as far as handling criseses, making longterm goals and dealing with consequences of my actions. I'm not afraid to be wrong or admit my faults. But I struggle at knowing how to make reasonable short-term goals(to reach my dreams), initiate friendships and relationships and handle my own failures. And I also struggle with doing things I don't WANT to do.

I grew up a lot in the last four years, but I still don't see myself anywhere near the man I can be.

actually now that I read your post Josh, I agree with you in that 100 % in some situations we are mature than other and in other situations, others are much mature than us it just works like that

I'm really starting that we never really get to the "adult" face...

Crazee
08-26-2007, 09:46 PM
Props to you for recognizing my point lol

danielspencer2
08-28-2007, 12:02 AM
Once ur 18 ur legally an adult.

Hynkel
08-28-2007, 07:05 AM
That sucks

Bernard
08-28-2007, 03:29 PM
Nice post Josh, I missed it the first time. I was about to post something similar but you probably expect that by now :p j/k

Crazee
08-30-2007, 11:45 AM
We should write together. I'll write a trilogy and you can condense it to half a book.

*~Leah Bia~*
08-30-2007, 02:19 PM
Once ur 18 ur legally an adult.


Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

Hynkel
08-30-2007, 02:50 PM
I'm in my 2nd Childhood

Bernard
08-30-2007, 08:19 PM
We should write together. I'll write a trilogy and you can condense it to half a book.
You're crazee :rofl:

Although it is true that every time I get an English assignment that is supposed to be X amount of words or X amount of pages, I always come up short but usually get an A anyway :) I always abbreviate out the details and keep what I see as the bigger points, although sometimes that's a bad thing. I'd probably suck at law, just about anything you throw out with that could be used against you in court.

Crazee
08-31-2007, 10:28 PM
I take a simple point and express it in the most abstract way because I'm actually trying to condense a large thought to a few paragraphs. But then I get distracted and want to make another point, and stay on that forever. And then what I'm saying hits my topic in the most roundabout fashion possible.

I SHOULD be a lawyer. I will talk circles around you. haha